As a developer of free software -- adventure games, utilities and the
like -- I believe that Linux is the best thing to happen to the
computer in 25 years. The idea of open source is marvelous, and
Microsoft can't stand it. Great software should not come at great
cost. "Live free or die." This is Linux and software development in a
nutshell.

Great software should be available at minimum cost to the consumer.
Microsoft and SCO are missing the boat entirely. Who complained
(besides Apple) when Microsoft ripped off the idea of Windows from
their chief rival? Why should SCO or Microsoft care that from millions
of lines of code some similarities exist? That's like comparing
snowflakes to one another. Even anamolies have similarities!

As monopolies and old ideas fail, new ideas rush to replace them. That
is the ebb and flow of society at large. Linux was a revolution
waiting to happen. Microsoft is a monopoly waiting to fail. As IBM
(and other companies) use Linux, two things before steadfast and
apparent: Linux is here to stay, and Microsoft is falling down.

I still program on Windows, but I am quickly changing my focus to
Linux. Linux is far more stable, more secure, and offers an expanding
range of features. Microsoft is the Old Rome. Linux is the New Rome.

Hail Caesar.

Sincerely,

Paul Allen Panks (a/k/a "Dunric")
Developer of "Westfront PC: The Trials of Guilder"
dunric@yahoo.com
Posted on 2003-05-20 18:18:28 by Paul Panks
I cant agree more :)
Posted on 2003-05-26 06:36:27 by bazik
yes, well, it will come to reality when your car *also* comes at minimum cost and that stereo and that bike and that nice jewel for your wife and .....


Rome taxed its citizens.
Posted on 2003-05-26 09:58:41 by Hiroshimator
to Paul Panks:

Maybe you want to write: "Ave Caesar, morituri ti salutant!"* :grin:

Linux is not anymore what it were a few years ago: fast, stable and small. Linux is fine only without GUI.
Linux is fine for servers, not for desktop computers.
The world needs new desktop OS, but there is no other OS, except Windows (unfortunately).
Some time ago I worked under Linux (developing a big Perl project). It (Linux) was huge, slow and unstabble. And don't talk to me that this is a matter of Linux version, or user competence. I worked with absolute Linux gurus. These guys were worked under Linux for 3 years.
I think Linux is simply a some kind of cyber-religion. And this is sad. ;)
Because the OS must be simply a tool - like hammer - want to drive a nail - take a hammer and hit.

In other case, maybe you like following situations: ;)
- Wait me 15 minutes to reboot a hammer.
- I have no root privileges in this hammer, to change a nail size.
- What is your hammer's skin: Aqua, Space, etc.
- I need a new car to carry my last hammer version.

The above is refering equally for recent Linux versions and for recent Windows versions.

:) :) :)

* Hail Caesar, those about to die salute you!
Posted on 2003-05-26 11:21:47 by JohnFound

Because the OS must be simply a tool - like hammer - want to drive a nail - take a hammer and hit.

Yeah, my fresh w2k install with service pack 2 is a nice /WINNT 1.5gb hammer!!!
Posted on 2003-05-26 12:33:30 by ThoughtCriminal
actually I think linux is fine for a desktop OS, the only problem is changing resolutions in X.

If your distro is too slow then you took the wrong one. (anything besides gentoo is wrong ;) )
Posted on 2003-05-26 13:05:44 by Hiroshimator
:) :) :) Hi Hiro! :) :) :)

The greatest think in Linux - every problem may be excused with wrong distro.... :) :) :)

BTW: It is significant that the word "distribution" have yet shortcut: "distro". Visibly it's too used word. ;)
Posted on 2003-05-26 13:21:04 by JohnFound
trust me, if you have not compiled your own distro from source then you have not yet experienced a fast distro.

gentoo IS fast. I'm not lying to you. (gentoo has problems too, but they got a great support forum and work generally very well)

I'm toying with freebsd currently but gentoo is still the only distro I'd recommend to anyone.
Posted on 2003-05-26 13:25:47 by Hiroshimator
No, thank's.

I am using Windows 95 (OSR2 - for AGP support). approx. 30sec for reboot. 300Mbytes on hard disk - with all service packs and updates, active desktop, DirectX 8, etc.
When it hangs (and this is not very often - 2 times for a day) I simply reboot and continue.
Posted on 2003-05-26 13:35:33 by JohnFound
yes, OSR2 still is a great OS for small installs. :)
Posted on 2003-05-26 14:26:09 by Hiroshimator

yes, OSR2 still is a great OS for small installs. :)


Hm, what you mean? My goal never been to make HUGE installs.:confused: I did not missing anything on my computer. Development tools, audio, video, internet, 3D-shooters, Apachi, DB servers, TV-tuner, Printer, My photo-camera - I have everything. What more??? What Linux have, what I have not on my machine?
Posted on 2003-05-26 14:50:26 by JohnFound
just that current OSes are insanely huge.

but then again our HDs turn out insanely huge these days as well :/
Posted on 2003-05-26 14:58:39 by Hiroshimator
Yes, you are right - the hard disks now are truly huge. But when the volume of HDs grows 10 times, the speed grows only twice. Because the HD is mechanical device. So, you may have great many GHz super-puper processor and many, many RAM, but all information is still on the HD. And you must wait to load all this RAM. And at the end: What are that new super features you get with new 2GBytes Linux instalation ( or 2GBytes new WinXP instalation ) - transparent windows and shadow under cursor :grin: :grin: :grin:

BTW: I have a theory that the next step in computer improvements will be hard disks and machine-human interface. The time of processors improvement is almost expired.

Regards
Posted on 2003-05-27 03:43:22 by JohnFound
but you'd like gentoo. you only put in what you really need (because it's from scratch) and you can compile it for your specific processor all optimized AND without the symbol tables :p (so a lot smaller)

'normal' distros are bloaty because of the plethora of packages they include.

The initial download of gentoo is about 16MB and then you get only the packages you want. (great to try if you happen to have a spare PC)
Posted on 2003-05-27 04:04:32 by Hiroshimator

When it hangs (and this is not very often - 2 times for a day) I simply reboot and continue.


Funny how you just "accept" that issue :)
Posted on 2003-05-27 06:12:39 by bazik
like if you have a choice in drivers and stuff?

nine out of ten 'hanging issues' I have experienced in my life are with drivers for display or sound. If your manufacturer doesn't fix it you're SOL. :(
Posted on 2003-05-27 06:34:49 by Hiroshimator
YES GENTOO Is the best distro ((big ) BUT) gentoo is NOT for newbies
there other distros that would work better for someones first linux

I have slackware on a 25 mhz 486 12 meg ram and it boots in 2 minutes
starts X in 1 minute
I diden't know thay made 1 mhz 386 that is the olny CPU I can think of that would need 15 menutes to boot to X there must be some kinda problem with the install

AND slack IS small all but the libaraies have ben striped
Posted on 2003-05-31 17:57:36 by rob.rice
Originally posted by rob.rice
I diden't know thay made 1 mhz 386 that is the olny CPU I can think of that would need 15 menutes to boot to X


You say a lot of intersting ideas. Where did you get all those?
My first 16 bit Intel machine featured 4.7MHz 8088. And, you say 1MHz 386?
Posted on 2003-05-31 20:56:52 by Starless



You say a lot of intersting ideas. Where did you get all those?
My first 16 bit Intel machine featured 4.7MHz 8088. And, you say 1MHz 386?


you miss the point
the olny computer that could be as slow as JohnFound says his was
at booting to X would be a 1Mhz 386 (there is no such computer )
Posted on 2003-05-31 21:54:52 by rob.rice
gentoo is as much for newbies as any other linux, you jump in and paddle along and somewhere you'll be able to come to sure on your own strength :)

most of the bloat in linux distros comes from the fact that they ship with the debug versions :p
Posted on 2003-06-01 11:21:42 by Hiroshimator