I just don't get it. Why is it that hunting "animals" is okay but hunting humans is not and is punishable by life imprisonment or death.
Face it, humans are basically animals. It's the human superiority complex that enables him/her to think that he/she is a superior being compared to dogs, cats, bears... and that he/she is *not* an "animal". This is attributed to high intelligence that humans have. The ability to think he/she is a unique individual is very rare among the animal kingdom where only a few species other than the hominid(homo sapiens) are given this "gift".
Here's a scenario:
1A. A human went to a forest area to have fun with his outdoor hobby, hunting. Along the way he spotted a bird, which by the way did nothing wrong to the human and shoots his hunting rifle, the bullet was a little way off the target. The bullet did not instantly kill the bird, the bird suffers for an hour then dies.
1B. Everyday, we are surrounded by dipshits, stupid, violent people. Some people causes bodily harm and some even may cause a loss of life
Why is it that it's not OK to hunt down humans. Compared to the bird who did nothing wrong, who is more worthy of the bullet?
I'm not advocating violence but why is it that humans have double standards when it comes to other species other than their own?
Face it, humans are basically animals. It's the human superiority complex that enables him/her to think that he/she is a superior being compared to dogs, cats, bears... and that he/she is *not* an "animal". This is attributed to high intelligence that humans have. The ability to think he/she is a unique individual is very rare among the animal kingdom where only a few species other than the hominid(homo sapiens) are given this "gift".
Here's a scenario:
1A. A human went to a forest area to have fun with his outdoor hobby, hunting. Along the way he spotted a bird, which by the way did nothing wrong to the human and shoots his hunting rifle, the bullet was a little way off the target. The bullet did not instantly kill the bird, the bird suffers for an hour then dies.
1B. Everyday, we are surrounded by dipshits, stupid, violent people. Some people causes bodily harm and some even may cause a loss of life
Why is it that it's not OK to hunt down humans. Compared to the bird who did nothing wrong, who is more worthy of the bullet?
I'm not advocating violence but why is it that humans have double standards when it comes to other species other than their own?
I know what you mean and I agree.
Sometimes, I'm scared of my thoughts. :grin: I would love to see everyone's opinion...
I like this type of questions where there is an inner struggle on your beliefs, what you are... and where you stand.... :grin: :grin: :grin:
I like this type of questions where there is an inner struggle on your beliefs, what you are... and where you stand.... :grin: :grin: :grin:
struggle? The only thing you have a struggle with is local laws.
I decided long ago that some human beings just aren't worth it :tongue:
Posted on 2003-06-27 14:19:11 by Hiroshimator
I decided long ago that some human beings just aren't worth it :tongue:
Posted on 2003-06-27 14:19:11 by Hiroshimator
Solution for 1A: Get a bigger rifle.
Solution for 1B: Carry it with you.
:grin:
Solution for 1B: Carry it with you.
:grin:
Why is it okay? Well, because birds can't have our children or be of any help to us whatsoever? Besides, we're bigger and stronger and them, and have weapons.
following that logic we'd routinely kill all retarded, old and/or handicapped people and the people with guns would kill the other people unhampered.
In reality birds do more for this world than humans, like keeping insect populations in check amongst other things, it would be a bad world without birds.
In reality birds do more for this world than humans, like keeping insect populations in check amongst other things, it would be a bad world without birds.
Why is it that hunting "animals" is okay but hunting humans is not and is punishable by life imprisonment or death.
(Ok, some of my reasoning is a bit stoneageman based, but I try to make the connection with the present understandable, so bare with me)
Because we are humans, we are not animals.
Ok, humans are animals, but we do not see it that way, we consder out selves superior.
Wheter we're superior or not is irrelevant, we are animals too, animals kill other animals, for food and/or/xor survival. So there justifying the killing of other animals is done, I'll soon explain why killing another human is 'wrong'.
Since we humans decied to live in larger clonies, we also decied to state rules for the co-existance, basically, we select a leader.
Note, even an leader that assumes/"takes command using violent means" is selected, since no one is able to take his (/hers, he spotted a bird, which by the way did nothing wrong to the human and shoots his hunting rifle
What birds carry anti-rifel weapons? ;) (sorry, I just had to missinterprent it :grin: )
The bird, why shoot it? Well hunters, they need to be good at shooting, and hitting the target, well one needs practice, especially if the "only" injures the bird, it's a failure, if that would have been a tiger attacing him he might dead (if the injury didn't imobilize the tiger). Why not shoot on tin cans, well, they don't live, thay don't move in a, undefined patter, when a lerted of the presence of something else. What the hunder should do is to end the suffering of the brid, but what if the bird becomes a nice lunch for some other animal, maybe a cat (they play with their food, so why not have some fun? Hiro, dinner's serverd ;) ).
As for 1B, -- uhm -- so what? dickheads are all over the place, I know several but I don't kil them, they are not psoing any threat to me. but if they were to attack me, then the most likey scenaro is damages on both sides but the largest damge is probably on the attackers.
I'm not saying I'm invicible but, I know how to cause major trauma an attacker, it's very easy to kill/damage some one. The best thing however is simply to avoiding conflicts, one must not push it's luck, shit happens, even if you know how to kill someone in hand to hand combat that doen't help against someone whos about to kill you with a Gautlinggun 45 meters away.
Acane, "Sometimes, I'm scared of my thoughts.", I'm always afraid my self and my thoughts, of what will happen if I lose control over myself.
Hiro, "following that logic we'd routinely kill all retarded, old and/or handicapped people and the people with guns would kill the other people unhampered.", excuse me don't you watch TV? (Or perhaps they're not showing what happens in teh world, I'm not saying swedish TV is any better, but we see more than the americans do, at least from what I've heard form others :| )
Things like that happens around the world.
here's another example...
Situation #1
1. If you kill a dog because you hate animals, are you punishable by death? no, you will likely be charged for animal cruelty and probably serve prison time for < 5 years...
2. if a human kills another human(assuming first degree murder), the killer would definitely get a life imprisonment or a death penalty
Situation #2
1. if a dog kills a human, the dog would definitely be put to sleep(death)...
2. if a dog attacks a human and doesn't kill the human, the dog would have a high probability he/she will be put to sleep...
3. if a human mistreats/attacks a dog without killing it, the human attacker would definitely be placed on community service for a short period of time, some even will be jailed for a few months...
what's so special about the human specie?
seems we have double standards for every other species and we discriminate other than our own?
if a human attacks another human, should the attacker "be put to sleep", or should he be charged for assault? if our answer is "he/she should be put to sleep" then isn't that a bit harsh considering our moral standards of today? Then again if he will be charged of assault and spends time in jail for a few months isn't that unfair for other animals who did the same thing and were put to sleep?
confusing isn't it? like I'm being a traitor to the homo sapiens... :grin: :grin: :grin:
from the above scenario, choose your path... and choose who you are going to deny... ;)
if you choose the first path, which is the death for the attacker, then we are denying our human legacy, our intelligence, our morals, our "ethics", everything that made you "human"...
if you choose the second path, which is to charge the attacker with assault resulting on prison time, then we are continuing our double standards against other species...
;)
Situation #1
1. If you kill a dog because you hate animals, are you punishable by death? no, you will likely be charged for animal cruelty and probably serve prison time for < 5 years...
2. if a human kills another human(assuming first degree murder), the killer would definitely get a life imprisonment or a death penalty
Situation #2
1. if a dog kills a human, the dog would definitely be put to sleep(death)...
2. if a dog attacks a human and doesn't kill the human, the dog would have a high probability he/she will be put to sleep...
3. if a human mistreats/attacks a dog without killing it, the human attacker would definitely be placed on community service for a short period of time, some even will be jailed for a few months...
what's so special about the human specie?
seems we have double standards for every other species and we discriminate other than our own?
if a human attacks another human, should the attacker "be put to sleep", or should he be charged for assault? if our answer is "he/she should be put to sleep" then isn't that a bit harsh considering our moral standards of today? Then again if he will be charged of assault and spends time in jail for a few months isn't that unfair for other animals who did the same thing and were put to sleep?
confusing isn't it? like I'm being a traitor to the homo sapiens... :grin: :grin: :grin:
from the above scenario, choose your path... and choose who you are going to deny... ;)
if you choose the first path, which is the death for the attacker, then we are denying our human legacy, our intelligence, our morals, our "ethics", everything that made you "human"...
if you choose the second path, which is to charge the attacker with assault resulting on prison time, then we are continuing our double standards against other species...
;)
1. If you kill a dog because you hate animals, are you punishable by death? no, you will likely be charged for animal cruelty and probably serve prison time for < 5 years...
That depends on the society. Wonder how much time a serial cow killer would get in India?
1. if a dog kills a human, the dog would definitely be put to sleep(death)...
2. if a dog attacks a human and doesn't kill the human, the dog would have a high probability he/she will be put to sleep...
3. if a human mistreats/attacks a dog without killing it, the human attacker would definitely be placed on community service for a short period of time, some even will be jailed for a few months...
what's so special about the human specie?
The dog poses a thread to humans, killing it will make the world safer for humans. Pet Dogs are expendible, they don't have feelings (like us, dont get me wrong, if you kick them they expericence the same responce as we, but they don't experience remorce over killing animals, afaik)
As for humans disbehaving towards animals, sometimes they're caught. IMO the polcie shouldn't care about animal abuse, they've got more imporant work to do, murders, thefts and such.
Why not let some animal rights foo bars take care of that (the investigation, after they've recieved propper education, the corts can are of cource the instance where the criminals are put at trial and convicted or freed), they can do it free. At least then they do something use full instead of complaining and commiting illegal acts (such as destroying farms and killing the animals on farms but trowing them out to the wilderness where they will die :rolleyes: :( )
as for seria? cow killers, they will be having a few extra low cast lives to live :eek:
How much time would a (47 killer in China get? Probably a sometime in the kitchen (don't they eat more animals and such in China than we do, they have, interesting, food (one thing I do know how good it testes it is wooked food, yum, I'm getting hungry... ))
That depends on the society. Wonder how much time a serial cow killer would get in India?
yes, you are right that depends on the society and the moral, religious... values the society applies. I understand what you are saying...
"killing is killing" period .... unless we change that to "killing is killing if the victim is human" ;)
The dog poses a thread to humans, killing it will make the world safer for humans. Pet Dogs are expendible, they don't have feelings (like us, dont get me wrong, if you kick them they expericence the same responce as we, but they don't experience remorce over killing animals, afaik)
ok I'm not going to counter the argument that dogs don't have feelings like us... even though I disagree... since no one has a factual reliable source that dogs don't have feelings, I'll leave this argument as it is but
"The dog poses a thread to humans" so does other humans so "killing it will make the world safer for humans." ... ;)
but no, if you pose a threat, you will likely to get jailed... not deathAs for humans disbehaving towards animals, sometimes they're caught. IMO the polcie shouldn't care about animal abuse, they've got more imporant work to do, murders, thefts and such.
Why not let some animal rights foo bars take care of that (the investigation, after they've recieved propper education, the corts can are of cource the instance where the criminals are put at trial and convicted or freed), they can do it free. At least then they do something use full instead of complaining and commiting illegal acts (such as destroying farms and killing the animals on farms but trowing them out to the wilderness where they will die
why is it that humans have double standards when it comes to other species other than their own?
isn't this discrimination, hypocrisy on our moral values? :grin: