I know that only a few people like Nasm but any
way .. i devolope this for me.

i give this to my friends ! :)

NaGoA RAD IDE Win32asm NASM GORC ALINK

The package contains all you need to program Win32asm
(Nasm Gorc Alink , docs, tools , resource builder and examples)
(Please say me if this version works on Windows NT or 2000 !)
http://visual-assembler.pt.vu



http://visual-assembler.pt.vu
Posted on 2001-10-15 18:50:06 by Nguga
Looks good, when are you going to make a masm version? :)


sluggy
Posted on 2001-10-15 22:42:01 by sluggy
I am desapointed by several things:


* The size: 10 times bigger than SpAsm for less functionalities and without
the Sources (SpAsm sources are inside for a zip of 764 Ko). 45 Minutes
download time on my slow country line, 4 minutes for SpAsm.


* The Link html doesn't link to SpAsm (I link to NASM at my Page and Docs).

SpAsm V.3.05a is at: < http://betov.free.fr/SpAsm.html >


* The Link html mention MASM (!!!!????). I can't say more because we are
at a MASM Board, but free tool should be friendly... WITH FREE TOOLS.


* Because of the size, i suppose that (as for NASM itself), your App is
written in C. If true, what does it mean? It is just like saying to other
Programmers:

> "I do it in C, because Asm would be too hard and too long job."
> "For serious work, use C."

What i could only desagrea, as Ketilo for MASM (Arghhhh!!!...), and i for
SpAsm (Yooopiii!!!...) , do not seem to have spent more time doing it as
well in Asm.


Bye, friendly (yes, yes! -and hold on-), Betov.
Posted on 2001-10-16 07:13:12 by Betov
Betov, if you had taken the care to look, you'd find the executable
is either delphi or borland c++ builder - most likely delphi. So no
reason to start blaming C for things it shouldn't be blamed for.
And why does Nguga have to code the editor and such in asm? If
the IDE can be done faster in another language so you can focus
on writing assembly programs in a comfortable environment... why
the heck time on the IDE and less time on more fun apps? :).

Also, look at the included files, you'll find 1.51MB of include files in
the inc directory. 1.98MB of files in the DOCS directory. 3.67 MB
in the projects directory and 1.23MB in the templates directory...
lot's of stuff to dig into and have fun with.

And what is your problem with masm? It's a good tool. Sure, it's
not opensource (like I cared). And (much more important), there
are a few syntax problems ("offset" required, and not
required on memory access to variable). But... it works, and is pretty
comfortable to work with seen as a whole.

There's a couple of useful programs included in the "plugins" directory...
ok, I think it's a bad idea to do this, at least for the larger programs
like borg and the resource hackers, since they are big, and people
might not need them or already have them.

Also Nguga, you shouldn't upx your executable. Sure, it "hides" your
bloated filesize, but it has some disadvantages (that are annoying,
especially with large executables). Namely, if windows has to drop
some of your executable pages, it will have to put them in the page
file and reread them from there later. With a normal app, windows
can see that the code pages aren't modified, and thus can just drop
the pages (without writing them to disk), because it knows it can
cleanly reload from the exe file on disk. The larger your app, the
worse compression is.
Posted on 2001-10-16 08:04:41 by f0dder
I was curious for some time about your IDE and finally I can get it to work.

I seems to be a fine IDE. Unfortunately it uses nasm so I dont think I will use it. But any way, It finally runs on 2000.
Posted on 2001-10-16 11:27:57 by dxantos
For Betov :
First I?m not a programer , all the things i know
about computing is becouse i learned from the internet , and us almost everyone i come from there ...

I start code in win32asm and asm .. in 1998

and there was a Visual Assembler full Nasm oriented made by a HCU team delphi and C++ builder

and at that time i though that Visual Assembler was a very good idea and i liked it very much but
i dont know way , this lovely project just stoped

so , i?m not a programer (well if you know were i work you probably think that i?m mad...)

i started to understand NASM by my self , at that time there was a few examples . i look at masm and
sad mmmmm i dont like it...


and liked very much Nasm !

so started to make NaGoA based on the old HCU
RAD IDE but that was very dificult since a don?t
know how to program evean the fundamentals of it...

mean time i learn a lot coding drum42 whith nuMIT_or in Nasm so i was realy liking Nasm



so RAD is Delphi and speed is ASM !

and Speed of making an aplication is Delphi

so started to remember my few fundamental that
i had from university fortran and pascal so i start in delphi but i have to say that i dont like c++ ...

the thing was to make some thing that i found on
the HCU rad and the things that i was in need to
program win32Nasm aplication quikly..


and the a sayd to me i must release this to my

friends that like NASM ..


for f0dder.

You are Great ! and very inteligent person :)

Thanks to all for everything i learn

for dxantos:

Thanks for the information about working on NT :))


HI! sluggy
Posted on 2001-10-16 13:04:09 by Nguga
Sniff! Sniff! Nguga, I would like to be great too, but, as you know, we are
always in need of hungry bad boy to make a good movy. So, i sacrified myself
to play the character.

Fodder, Of course, i have seen this. No matter if it is C or Visual Basic.
The fact is that it is not Asm and that, for having the same thing (i mean
without sources inside), it would be 30 or 40 times faster to download in
Asm. Crual facts. With SpAsm, inc, libs, and other tools are de-facto inside.

What i have with MASM? Can't be told here because it would overflow the given
polish rules. Just, if i may say it, even if MASM was perfect, and if Hutch
would give money with it, i would prefer not programing at all than programing
with it. Asm programmers should remember why asm was dead in past 15+4 years,
and so forth, should understand where are the doors to freedom (NASM is one,
long life to Nagoa -if smaller: i pay phone, and my wife wants to use it too-).


Betov.
Posted on 2001-10-16 13:44:27 by Betov

Sniff! Sniff! Nguga, I would like to be great too, but, as you know, we are
always in need of hungry bad boy to make a good movy. So, i sacrified myself
to play the character.

Fodder, Of course, i have seen this. No matter if it is C or Visual Basic.
The fact is that it is not Asm and that, for having the same thing (i mean
without sources inside), it would be 30 or 40 times faster to download in
Asm. Crual facts. With SpAsm, inc, libs, and other tools are de-facto inside.

What i have with MASM? Can't be told here because it would overflow the given
polish rules. Just, if i may say it, even if MASM was perfect, and if Hutch
would give money with it, i would prefer not programing at all than programing
with it. Asm programmers should remember why asm was dead in past 15+4 years,
and so forth, should understand where are the doors to freedom (NASM is one,
long life to Nagoa -if smaller: i pay phone, and my wife wants to use it too-).


Betov.
Posted on 2001-10-16 14:33:28 by Hiroshimator
Hiro,

I always liked Ronny Raygun, anyone who had trouble finding the button had to be OK. :)

Nguga,

The guys who like NASM will appreciate the support as very few have done much with NASM over the last few years. I understand betov's view about the IDE size but a "finished" and "working" IDE is a lot more use than an "ideal" one that is not finished yet.

I think compressing it with UPX is a good idea as it will help the load time a lot when the original is large.

regards & keep up the good work.

hutch@pbq.com.au
Posted on 2001-10-16 18:15:42 by hutch--
Thank you Hutch !

:)


well i found a litle bug in nagoa.exe , and i
already have the new nagoa.exe ( 332 kbytes )
(the bug was related with the built in resource editor.)

it can be downloaded from NaGoA site at:

http:\\visual-assembler.pt.vu


I want to thank all this people:

Hutch
Virogen
TomCat

gij

Knotty Dread

ReZiDeNt

mammon_

Calaban

Intern

Milleniumbug

phaZer

tom

worf

and all the others that did the unfiniched:

original -> VisAsm
Posted on 2001-10-17 13:25:43 by Nguga
Weel i found that some people around the world are
payng to surf the Net very high prices , in fact was a peroson that ask me to do this becouse in
Russia internet is very expensive so i made the
NaGoA minimum package:

the full package is 7.53 megas

the minimum working package is 1.3 megas

http://visual-assembler.pt.vu
Posted on 2001-10-18 07:14:41 by Nguga