Get it before they run out. Runs faster, too!
Thanks for pointing it out so soon ;) . Just yesterday only 1.07 was available there.
Immediately noticed these fixes:
- file cache finally is working as it did before in 1.03 (at least on my PC). It used to bypass any cache at versions 1.03 to 1.07 in most cases.
- complex tables, generated for IE by Excel now always render correctly (used to need "refresh" in most cases)
Immediately noticed these fixes:
- file cache finally is working as it did before in 1.03 (at least on my PC). It used to bypass any cache at versions 1.03 to 1.07 in most cases.
- complex tables, generated for IE by Excel now always render correctly (used to need "refresh" in most cases)
Hmm just that I don't see a v-scrollbar to the right, on any page ^^"
I've had zero problems since beta 1.
Well, the problems I had are visible only on 33kbit/s connection ^^"
But btw am I the only one without a vscrollbar (not that I ever need it) :D ?
But btw am I the only one without a vscrollbar (not that I ever need it) :D ?
I have the scrollbar, but my problem is that FF is WAAAAYYY slower than IE :| I see the page 2-3 seconds after I type the address, while on IE it's always <1s.
IE is part of Windows Explorer and the OS so it is pre-loaded with a lot of stuff. However, I don't notice any speed difference surfing using IE and FF1.5.
IE is part of Windows Explorer and the OS so it is pre-loaded with a lot of stuff.
That's the same old story one always hear... partly true, but it's fact that FireFox *is* a slow bloated pig. And it seems that even 1.5 still re-renders when scrolling, while IE renders to a bitmap and scrolls that instead, et cetera.
I'm on FireFox though, with 1.5 it's better than Opera (especially because of adblock, fasterfox and scrapbook). Nothing beats an IE-based browser for speed or memory consumption though, and with the amount of exploits coming out for firefox, I'm starting to re-consider IE as a viable option again...
with the amount of exploits coming out for firefox
Can you name one? Somewhere on the web it's published there are 20 or 30 for IE for every one FF may be vulnerable to. But 1.5 has increased security, too. And IE is still seven years behind the standards and falling further behind.How can what I said be 'partially' true. It's either pre-loaded or not. It's either part of the OS or not.
Internet Explorer 6 is a 3.41Mb download. FF is a 4.5 Mb download. Hardly a pig for a browser on the leading technology edge.
Doc,
I have plugged it in and it runs OK. Could removed the "idiot links" from under the toolbar so it does not waste screen space with junk. Adding bookmarks is a bit untidy but it seems to work OK so all in all it looks like a reasonable version. K-MELEON is still leaner, meaner and faster.
I have plugged it in and it runs OK. Could removed the "idiot links" from under the toolbar so it does not waste screen space with junk. Adding bookmarks is a bit untidy but it seems to work OK so all in all it looks like a reasonable version. K-MELEON is still leaner, meaner and faster.
It turned out the missing scrollbar was only because I used the "Noia 2" theme ^^".
As regards f0dder's statement that FF re-renders the whole page on scrolling - actually it does not. Tested it with a proven method+software of mine. Even the FF vscrollbar updates only the absolute minimum of its invalidated area, contrary to IE's vscroll (lol .. anyway just FYI :) )
But much more importantly, animated GIFs in FF are not completely redrawn! Only the necessary rectangles. Meanwhile, IE updates the _whole_ GIF image when the next animation keyframe has come!
Unfortunately, both browsers update the whole image-area of hyperlink-enabled images, though these images don't have any extra/fancy CSS style on hover. (I mean, they update it when you move the mouse over them, and the "hand" cursor shows-up)
Moving the mouse over multiline text hyperlinks with "hover" style, in IE causes the _largest_ containing rectangle to be completely redrawn. And that rectangle is actually even larger - it takes the width of the whole paragraph the hyperlink is in. : (not paragraph, but ... DIV.... yikes- images around get redrawn too in the Y-span of this multiline hyperlink.). Horizontal navigation menus on websites get completely redrawn while moving the mouse over the hyperlink-enabled parts of them (if they are all in just one parent DIV)
In FF, things have been done smartly - each line gets a separate, small update-rectangle. Vertically, each of these rectangles is +4px extra high above the font size, and horisontally - 0px. Text around the hyperlink is not updated.
As regards f0dder's statement that FF re-renders the whole page on scrolling - actually it does not. Tested it with a proven method+software of mine. Even the FF vscrollbar updates only the absolute minimum of its invalidated area, contrary to IE's vscroll (lol .. anyway just FYI :) )
But much more importantly, animated GIFs in FF are not completely redrawn! Only the necessary rectangles. Meanwhile, IE updates the _whole_ GIF image when the next animation keyframe has come!
Unfortunately, both browsers update the whole image-area of hyperlink-enabled images, though these images don't have any extra/fancy CSS style on hover. (I mean, they update it when you move the mouse over them, and the "hand" cursor shows-up)
Moving the mouse over multiline text hyperlinks with "hover" style, in IE causes the _largest_ containing rectangle to be completely redrawn. And that rectangle is actually even larger - it takes the width of the whole paragraph the hyperlink is in. : (not paragraph, but ... DIV.... yikes- images around get redrawn too in the Y-span of this multiline hyperlink.). Horizontal navigation menus on websites get completely redrawn while moving the mouse over the hyperlink-enabled parts of them (if they are all in just one parent DIV)
In FF, things have been done smartly - each line gets a separate, small update-rectangle. Vertically, each of these rectangles is +4px extra high above the font size, and horisontally - 0px. Text around the hyperlink is not updated.
As regards f0dder's statement that FF re-renders the whole page on scrolling - actually it does not. Tested it with a proven method+software of mine. Even the FF vscrollbar updates only the absolute minimum of its invalidated area, contrary to IE's vscroll (lol .. anyway just FYI Smile )
Weird... when clicking my middle mousebutton to enter the "move mouse up and down to scroll" mode, firefox 1.5 still seems very sluggish compared to IE.
How can what I said be 'partially' true. It's either pre-loaded or not. It's either part of the OS or not.
IE uses standard windows controls. Yes, those (common controls) were introduced because of IE, but they're used *everywhere*, and by most 3rd-party apps too - so I wouldn't say IE has an unfair advantage there. It might have an unfair advantage in that it's HTML renderer is used on a default windows setup ("web view" folders), but I turn those off. IE is STILL a lot faster to load and use than firefox, though.
And by the way I use xplorer^2 as filemanager and blackbox as my shell so no, I don't get IE components preloaded by loading explorer.exe. Also, if you look at the "private bytes" memory usage, firefox takes quite a bit more than IE for the same sites.
Not saying that it's a bad browser, I still prefer it over IE. But it's a slow bloated pig for sure.
Weird... when clicking my middle mousebutton to enter the "move mouse up and down to scroll" mode, firefox 1.5 still seems very sluggish compared to IE.
You're right, with the simple ctrl+alt+del performance manager, scrolling this page like that on my PC takes 30-40% cpu with FF, and no more than 5% cpu with IE ^^ .
But for me, FF still seems to beat IE around 6-fold at speed of loading pages (at 80kbit/s net).
Now, I don't see that. I get 2 to 5%, sometimes 8%. XP 2.8ghz p4
Now, wait a minute. I'm getting 33 to 38% scrolling with IE in the Performance window under task manager.
I get 0% (IE) and 5-8% (FF) while scrolling and ~10% (both) while moving the mouse rapidly over some text hyperlinks.
nevertheless, FF seems to LAG before displaying a page, while IE doesn't. Also FF has a lot of minor bugs, like displaying the context menu infinite amount of times(it happened only once though, so I can't reproduce/report). FF doesn't display some pages correclty, it has great problems with colors on some items, it doesn't follow some MS's "user experience guidelines" (like applying BS_DEFPUSHBUTTON around the button which is currently selected). well, user interface sukcs on FF IMO (especially opening in tab configured under the middle mouse button. sometime I find myself trying to find a place on the screen to start scrolling. It doesn't take much time, but can be irritating. On IE it doesn't matter where the mouse pointer is - I just press MMB and scroll), and tabs aren't helping much because I'm not a big fan of them. I also have a habit of switching the window focus (from another window) using MMB -- it ends up opening a randomly clicked link in new tab. There's no "encoding" and "font size" buttons in FF (I use them often) and there's no fast way to edit the page's source. When you're in Offline mode, it doesn't ask you to switch to online when you press a link. If you choose to use only your own colors, it doesn't display most of "hr"s (horizontal lines) on pages.
Everything above is "user interface" (and there are a lot of things not mentioned here), so I can honestly say that I can't use FF because of its screwed up UI.
IE seems to use more CPU on some tasks (probably because of what Ultrano wrote), but FF _IS_ slower in almost everything on my machine and I really can't help it.
nevertheless, FF seems to LAG before displaying a page, while IE doesn't. Also FF has a lot of minor bugs, like displaying the context menu infinite amount of times(it happened only once though, so I can't reproduce/report). FF doesn't display some pages correclty, it has great problems with colors on some items, it doesn't follow some MS's "user experience guidelines" (like applying BS_DEFPUSHBUTTON around the button which is currently selected). well, user interface sukcs on FF IMO (especially opening in tab configured under the middle mouse button. sometime I find myself trying to find a place on the screen to start scrolling. It doesn't take much time, but can be irritating. On IE it doesn't matter where the mouse pointer is - I just press MMB and scroll), and tabs aren't helping much because I'm not a big fan of them. I also have a habit of switching the window focus (from another window) using MMB -- it ends up opening a randomly clicked link in new tab. There's no "encoding" and "font size" buttons in FF (I use them often) and there's no fast way to edit the page's source. When you're in Offline mode, it doesn't ask you to switch to online when you press a link. If you choose to use only your own colors, it doesn't display most of "hr"s (horizontal lines) on pages.
Everything above is "user interface" (and there are a lot of things not mentioned here), so I can honestly say that I can't use FF because of its screwed up UI.
IE seems to use more CPU on some tasks (probably because of what Ultrano wrote), but FF _IS_ slower in almost everything on my machine and I really can't help it.
nevertheless, FF seems to LAG before displaying a page, while IE doesn't.
Try getting the FasterFox plugin - it allows you to change things like the "initial render delay", which might cause the lag. It also has some "preloading" that's pretty nice, at least on a fast connection (preloads links before you click them).
Also FF has a lot of minor bugs, like displaying the context menu infinite amount of times
I've never seen that. What other bugs? All software has bugs.FF doesn't display some pages correclty, it has great problems with colors on some items,
The only way this would happen is if the page was coded to IE in the first place. In that case, no other browser would properly display the page and Apple and Unix/Linux users would have the same problem.it doesn't follow some MS's "user experience guidelines" (like applying BS_DEFPUSHBUTTON around the button which is currently selected).
Possibly because FF is designed to work on many OSs and not just Win.user interface sukcs on FF IMO (especially opening in tab configured under the middle mouse button. sometime I find myself trying to find a place on the screen to start scrolling. It doesn't take much time, but can be irritating.
I don't know what you are talking about here. I have no problems scrolling or opening tabs.There's no "encoding" and "font size" buttons in FF
Yes, there is. Under the 'View' menu at the top. Are you sure you downloaded FF?there's no fast way to edit the page's source.
It's the same as IEs out of the box and you can get a free extension to directly edit.it doesn't ask you to switch to online when you press a link.
Yes, it does.Everything above is "user interface" (and there are a lot of things not mentioned here), so I can honestly say that I can't use FF because of its screwed up UI.
This is a first for me. Never heard this before.So what I'm trying to say is wtf browser were you testing? It couldn't have been FF because nothing you said is true.
Try getting the FasterFox plugin - it allows you to change things like the "initial render delay", which might cause the lag. It also has some "preloading" that's pretty nice, at least on a fast connection (preloads links before you click them).
Hi f0dder. Well, I don't like the idea of downloading things to make something work. I'll just quit using it at all ;)
Hi drhowarddrfinedrhoward.
I've never seen that. What other bugs? All software has bugs.
It happened once so far (I use FF rarely) and I don't have much time to try reproducing it. You can believe me or not.
The only way this would happen is if the page was coded to IE in the first place. In that case, no other browser would properly display the page and Apple and Unix/Linux users would have the same problem.
I don't know about other browsers, but some pages look really bad, while their code isn't really complicated.
FF: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1250/ff5ud.jpg
IE: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/726/ie2dm.jpg
FF: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/755/ff023ww.jpg
IE: http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7881/ie025tq.jpg
The first pair shows the pop-up menu on a page. On FF the menu has transparent background what makes it very difficult to read. The second pair shows few color problems and there's no "verisign" logo on FF. Edits and buttons don't look 3d as they should. I really don't care if FF is designed for 1 OS or 78. I'm a Windows user, and I'd like the app to look consistent with the OS. Try making a game in 2 color mode. Who will play it? I'm exaggerating here of course, but people complain if an app doesn't look good and I'm one of those ppl. My subjective opinion is that pages rendered by FF look bad.
I don't know what you are talking about here. I have no problems scrolling or opening tabs.
Try clicking midle mouse button on a link.
Yes, there is. Under the 'View' menu at the top. Are you sure you downloaded FF?
I was talking about buttons (on toolbar, for example) not the menuitems. As I've stated: I use it a lot.
It's the same as IEs out of the box and you can get a free extension to directly edit.
Well, in IE i just "view source" and it opens with notepad (where it can be edited/saved). In FF it opens in a viewer where I can't edit it.
Yes, it does.
No, it doesn't. It says that it's in offline mode and that I should "try again" (wtf? :| ).
This is a first for me. Never heard this before.
I pay very detailed attention to how an app "looks" (and as well how its look is consisteent with OS).
And I don't know how to change its language to English. Plz don't tell me that I have to dl it again.
So what I'm trying to say is wtf browser were you testing? It couldn't have been FF because nothing you said is true.
It proves only that I should use IE :)
Try clicking midle mouse button on a link.
Works just fine. Been using it for many months.
In FF it opens in a viewer where I can't edit it.
"Save As..." or get the free extension.It says that it's in offline mode and that I should "try again"
No, it says "Uncheck "Work Offline" in the File menu, then try again."It proves only that I should use IE
IE6 is four years old. IE is seven years behind modern standards. IE7 will not be significantly better. IE impedes modern technology (cannot display CSS1 properly, IE7 won't support CSS2, while FF and other browsers have started supporting CSS3), does not support xhtml/xml, does not fully support the DOM, IE does not support SVG and on and on and on.I have a feeling you may be using an older version of FF and that your language may not have been translated yet. Are you using 1.0.7 or even an earlier version? It looks like it. Is it 1.0?
If a page does not work in FF but does in IE, I can guarantee the page is rife with errors and was coded while viewing IE only. IE is a bug ridden mess that even MS agrees with (Google for IEBlog and Chris Wilson, lead developer for IE, among others).