I added a very good control to MVD, I just
selected MDIClient with a radio button then
selected MDICHILD radio button on another form
and compiled it. and it made a docking program
in just 3 minutes of selecting properties and such.
I even told it to dock onlt on the top or left side, I
could have checked all 4 docking styles for as many
windows as I wanted all docking in the same window
I did this in just under 3 minutes without writting anycode.

The example EXE below shows the end results and shows
the kind of things I am adding to MVD. I really think MVD
will prove to be usefull.

Posted on 2002-10-03 01:16:34 by Zcoder
at least release your IP and use an ISP that doesn't spell nebraska all over the place :rolleyes:
Posted on 2002-10-03 05:22:13 by Hiroshimator
The interface looks nice, I look forward to a feature to add your own code to the created button and edit boxes. I think it'll accelerate the speed of writing asm programs.
Posted on 2002-10-03 11:09:28 by Duker

Just note this much, this forum will not be commercially exploited by anyone, members or not. Commercial operations handle their own web sites and advertising where this forum is paid for by Hiroshimator at the moment.

If the forum allowed commercial exploitation, it would be flooded by a miriad of different products that would not necessarily be for assembler programmers.

Commercial software has its place but it must handle its own advertising, not freeload off other people so keep this kind of comment out of this forum.


Posted on 2002-10-11 03:51:47 by hutch--
It has been about 3 weeks sence I released the codewiz
program, and have not recieved any bug reports from
anyone, although I have found many bug myself.
this leads me to believe that this project has no
interest, or need to the community, and will be
a waste of my time and effort to continue this project.
I plan not to release any more such programs or any
future versions as I consider this project officially dead.

With close to about 2000 downloads of this program
I find it hard to believe that no one can take just a
minute of there time to say anything about it good or bad.
with this type of support I feel the project is of no need to
anyone in the ASM community.

Good luck to anyone that wishes to continue on such a
project, as their efforts are of no need in this area.

Posted on 2002-10-16 15:58:03 by Zcoder
Heya Zc

I dunno what to say... I dont think you've wasted up your time ...

Yes Ive downloaded your software but for now I still prefer RadAsm... Its more usefull for me right now

Cya Greetz Kahn
Posted on 2002-10-16 16:58:25 by KahnAbyss
If thats all you want is a COLOR text editor
I can do that. I just did not know how easy
you are to please.

Posted on 2002-10-16 17:45:47 by Zcoder

What about to check out RadASM before you call it a color editor?

PS: I just checked out your tool... Looks neat and saves time. Nice work.

PPS: Stop being so grumpy all the time :grin:
Posted on 2002-10-16 18:44:46 by JimmyClif
I have and it only creates RC
of what you see visualy plus
the color editor and I have
problems moving the docking
windows around, I can't seem to
get anything done in it with the other
windows not doing as I need them to.

I am still trying to learn the program, but
it will take some learning curve to learn it all.
but the docking need work.

Posted on 2002-10-16 18:50:58 by Zcoder

I have told you before that if you try to please others (unless for commericial purposes) you will fail. RadASM was far superior then the demo tool you had posted. You boast of some revolutionary visual tool... well lets see it! Show me the tool! (Not to be taken the wrong way :tongue: )

Your assumptions are correct, people will report errors to what they find usefull. If I recall correctly, your tool didn't do much, it just seems like a demo, which you intended it to be. So I don't know why you expect beta reports to come rolling in.
Posted on 2002-10-17 00:35:52 by Asm_Freak
Oh I would download it again, and take a look, but the link you posted is dead.
Posted on 2002-10-17 00:36:55 by Asm_Freak
Thats becouse the project is dead. I was never going
to sell codewize or mvd, but you all some how think
that I am, if his is why you acted the way you all did
then you lost out on a VB style tool, and the source
becouse you did not want to help in the support of
a tool with just reporting bugs to earn the tool.
I guess you wont even lift a free word to earn
anything. supporting something can be free, does
not cost in real money, just the time to help out.

Mvd was for free, codewiz was a tool I made quikly
to show that it can be done, and to get help with
bug reports, while I finish MVD, MVD had color rich
text editor, code vault was also built in to add code
that you could save for later. built libs and dlls and
had an output window. and if the way I was displaying
the controls worked right for everyone I was going to
add over 50 controls on the toolbar, by adding tabed
toolbars. I had gotton the program to look and feel just like
VB, I had the docking of the windows down and the form
window looked just like in VB, the program created .MVP
files, (project file) and asm RC. all controls could be in asm
or derected to RC, what ever the user wanted. duble click
a control on the form and a text editor window showed
the area where you can write your event for the control
all proc's and controls could be named, using the propertys
sheet, all styles for the controls could be set as well as naming
all class's. example, a tool bar can be placed on the form,
and from the properties sheet you can select how many
buttons to create, the buttons would apear you then could set
button size's and that to would show, you could then select
a toolbar bitmap into the control and that would show then
you could set each image to the button you wanted you could
then select tooltips and at that time a menu would apear
showing editbox's for each button where you would enter
the tooltip line for each button. and the list goes on, also
you could select this toolbar into a rebar if you so wanted it
this was just one control, and how simple I made them to
create. and all this could be in asm or RC, you just had to
select the method.

But noone wants this even for free, and could not even find
the time to support it with comments good or bad.
I have desided to move on to other things that I hope
will help contribute to the community, I hope my other ideas
will be of use to others.

Posted on 2002-10-17 06:59:39 by Zcoder
Hi Zcoder

You should not blame people for not wanting to invest time into what they believe will be wapour ware.
Create the tool for your own use, and when it gets good release it.

Posted on 2002-10-17 07:48:30 by KetilO
Sorry, But I might be dumb, but I don't know
what wapour means, The tool is for free for
the community, I have desided that I will only
help people with small examples and leave
it to that. Contribute in one way or another.
this way they will know it's free, so ask about
any control, then give me a day or so and you
will have the source example without other stuff
in it to comfuse you. this will be more better.

I don't have the time to do large scale programs
in hopes that it is down the right line. wasted time
in coding just to be of no need is like writting a
"HOW TO READ BOOK" I will help in other ways.

I do not need to sell anything, I really not into that.
I can't even sell a car. I only write what I feel is of
need. But I have been sold on the idea that this tool
is of no use to anyone, and that I was exited about nothing.
some times we think we have a good idea, and what to
share it with others. this was just one of those things.

Creating code examples is what everyone can use without
the blameing that someone is going to want money.
which I still do not understand where this came from.
but I don't need a house to fall on me to see this.

It makes no sence to me that I see some trying to help
others with ASM, and then to create a tool and ask for money
is not helping, help is a FREE thing, at least I though so.
like I said it was for free, I thought I said this is english.

Posted on 2002-10-17 08:07:07 by Zcoder

Vaporware = means it doesn't exist. You boast of MVD, so lets see it. You just keep saying that it's like VB, and now it's dead because no one wants to help. Lets us see mvd, quite frankly, I don't believe it even exists. Ketilo hit it on the nose by what he said last. That's what I've been trying to tell you all along. Make the tool for yourself, then when it's good enough, release it. Until then, no one will be interested. I have experience in the same arena. I was working on an IDE called "Asmstudio", at first it was for myself, then it became about trying to make it the best. I ended failing miserably.
Posted on 2002-10-17 08:34:01 by Asm_Freak
Why say something exists if it does not?
because you will have to produce it someday
or shut up. The MVD is not done, has problems
in some areas and would not be a good example
to get an idea of. so I quickly built codewiz and
although I only put 6 controls in it, I wanted to know
if the controls that I drew on the form was working
in other OS's if not I could change my method in MVD.

No one understands this? codewiz would have been
the easyway to verify this without creating a whole
enviroment program. The work I put into MVD was hard
on me, lots of things became problems but I overcame them
each one step at a time, you would have been disapointed
in testing MVD the way it stands now, it functions but other areas
need to be completed. not a good thing to release yet.
I had the same problems with a chat program, but when
a lack of help exists it can get discuraging and I lose even
my excitement about even completeing it.

I could release MVD with all the problems it still has then
you might understand, but you would still be impressed
at just how close it looks to VB, but it would not help me
to get the excitement back, without the excitement I once
had I just don't have the modevation to go on with it anymore.

If you don't think that alot of modivation in something like this
is needed, try building a program like this, you have alot of
things to learn and overcome, you will need to be good with
MDI, and mid stream Class changing and style changing of your
MDI's and the docking of three or four windows in a client is
harder then just one window docking in it. then there is the
GDI drawing you must over come to make the controls change
without flicker and to draw the controls so they will look just
as the final program will look, and to comtute there locations
when you create the ASM, then there is the owner drawn list
box for the property sheet, to let the user select properties
all a owner drawn list box will send you is a rect of the area
for you to cleate a editbox or a combobox or what ever you
are going to use to get info from the user, then there is the
tree view for the projects and forms and rc files ect. catching
these messages is not real hard, but alot of coding involved.
the list goes on. all this I overcame is 6 months or more of
using the MSD liblray books that I have in a 5 volume set.

I got to the point where I wanted to know if the GDI and
Child windows I was using to create the controls on the form
was going to work flawlessly in other OS's. I don't want to get
stuck using a method that does not work on other OS's as
this would make the project harder to change as the project
progressed, commiting code one way just to find that you have
to backup and change it, could create a problem is the design
and might change other things as well setting me back more.

as you can see, it takes alot of effort, when your the only one
programming, I just wanted help with testing, not a hard thing
to do, That I was asking for.

But coding examples will help, this seems to be a very good
area where I can do the most good use. people can use good
examples on how to do those strange controls, or subclass what
ever, and show how to tinker with GetWindowlong or GetClassLong
ect. play with the catching of messages and alter them. ect, ect.

Examples seem to be a better way to help.

Posted on 2002-10-17 09:16:47 by Zcoder
hmmm ....

How can I say that...

I still learning everybody does... Im just having fun with asm
And as I said RadAsm is for me the best GUI for now and since I dont change often Ill use it for a while :)

Maybe it didnt have everything... but wich Gui have all the stuff that people need... none is my answer... every one have their forces and stuff that piss off coders... even RadAsm... but as I said RadAsm is the better option for me right now I hope I can help KetilO soon...

Cya Greetz Kahn
Posted on 2002-10-17 16:53:14 by KahnAbyss

Ketil gave you some good advice, develop the tools you have in mind for your own use first and make sure they do what you want well. When its up and going you can share it around with others and if it does the job well, other will use it.

If you can get this done, it will be a good contribution to everyone who is interested.


Posted on 2002-10-17 19:23:50 by hutch--
Wow, you guys are ruthless.

On one hand you have no problems helping debug all kinds of IDE's and various other pieces of code. Yet one person accuses this guy of trying to get you to help him develop something for sale (without justification I might add, as it's just as easy for me to say the accuser is an ass without even knowing it), and everyone dumps on him.

From what I saw it had excellent potential for being a truly rapid development IDE for form driven code. Yet now its gone to wapourware land. And by the way, just exactly what is wapourware? Some kind of wolksvagen?
Posted on 2002-10-19 08:41:40 by sceptor

Please - don't rubish volkswagen.

Posted on 2002-10-22 06:29:54 by forge