I am here for the nth time, to share code
and help people learn assembly, while
the freedom assembly forum is being
created and drawnup.


Then I will stop.


Zcoder......


"to share code" ? Where is the source code of your visual designer?
Posted on 2002-12-06 01:08:22 by bazik
Originally posted by Zcoder
I am here for the nth time, to share code
and help people learn assembly


If I am not wrong, wasn't it you that were writing and selling some paying tutorials ?
Here, we help for free !
So, the only thing we ask is that the members follow the rules to not be annoyed by, as Hiro said, your government laws...

, while
the freedom assembly forum is being
created and drawnup.


Okay, please post all your so-called commercial softwares, and all our members and even moderators will be glad to crack them in front of you !
Would you be happy, I don't think so...

Freedom is not illegality...

Then I will stop.


The only worthy sentence of your whole post.
Posted on 2002-12-06 01:27:25 by JCP
This board is good for discussion world affairs but to know something interesting here is practically impossible.


Aquila,
You are maybe then in the wrong place: are you sure you are interested in the topics discussed on this messageboard ?
If writing virii is your way to have fun, I agree you won't probably learn something worthy here...

Why must assembly always be related to virii or cracks ?
It is evil intends like these that makes assembly have bad reputation, and here, on this forum, we strongly believe there is another future for x86 assembly langage than RE and virii pages with rotating 3D green skulls on a black binary background and as a welcome *ph33r* written in burning letters.
Posted on 2002-12-06 01:37:16 by JCP
oh no.. this thread is turning into flames about RE and vir**

Cool down people, the rules are set by the cat. If you do not welcome it, just quit the boards and join others. There is no point for you to stay, as the mods would not want you here :grin: It is not possible sometimes to change others opinion, no point making this thread flame.
Posted on 2002-12-06 02:12:08 by roticv
Quote:
_________________________________________________
If I am not wrong, wasn't it you that were writing and selling some paying tutorials ?
Here, we help for free !
_________________________________________________

I don't sell code, you seem to have lost sight of
what is fact and what is not.

Your being childish again as always.

Your from another country so this leads me to
not care about your opinion couse you don't
like us anyway, so what have we lost?
you can only dream of being where I am.

I standup for what is right, I fear not. I gain nothing
if you like or don't like. but you can't understand that
for some reason.

Also your forum is on the list of ISP's and goverment
officials as complaints of sites that have hi ratings
of american bashing, and as soon as a bill goes thru
to band such sites. You know they are pushing a bill
to block countrys that have high ratings of american
centament comming from them. by scrambling the internet
there by blocking these countrys into there own back yard

There has been to many americans visting chat room and
forums ect and getting bashed, ISP's have been swampt
with complaints there by been reported to conressmen
to take some kindof action, thus the bill to scramble the
internet access from countrys with hight american bashing
comming from them.

Zcoder....
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:19:19 by Zcoder
Originally posted by Readiosys
Aquila,
You are maybe then in the wrong place: are you sure you are interested in the topics discussed on this messageboard ?
If writing virii is your way to have fun, I agree you won't probably learn something worthy here...

Have I said something about virii in this topic? Have I said something about cracks in this topic? No. It is just a bunch of super inquisitors, who are roaming around the board and searching something 'criminal', 'illegal' and so on, talk about virii and cracks here.

another future for x86 assembly langage than RE

It seems you don't like 'RE'. Just interesting, what is bad in RE except it is 'illegal' in some backward countries?
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:24:31 by Aquila
Originally posted by Zcoder

Also your forum is on the list of ISP's and goverment
officials as complaints of sites that have hi ratings
of american bashing, and as soon as a bill goes thru
to band such sites. You know they are pushing a bill
to block countrys that have high ratings of american
centament comming from them. by scrambling the internet
there by blocking these countrys into there own back yard

There has been to many americans visting chat room and
forums ect and getting bashed, ISP's have been swampt
with complaints there by been reported to conressmen
to take some kindof action, thus the bill to scramble the
internet access from countrys with hight american bashing
comming from them.



I hope Hiro will change his hostprovider as soon as possible. I would never host a site in USA. Too many restrictions.
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:31:34 by Aquila
Aquila,
I think you don't really grasp what
I said, if we block internet access of some countrys
those countrys will have to get there own satilite
if they want to reach beyond there back yards.


Zcoder......
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:35:55 by Zcoder
bazik,
You Can't have the source to something you
have no need for, it just surves no purpose.

Or you should code one yourself. then none
americans will use it.


Zcoder......
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:40:38 by Zcoder

Aquila,
I think you don't really grasp what
I said, if we block internet access of some countrys
those countrys will have to get there own satilite
if they want to reach beyond there back yards.
Zcoder......

What I said is true - I would never host site in USA,because of too big restrictions, but now I've catch what you mean. I think it will work for the local goverments' sake :). But seriously - it will not be big problem. EU will just make own traffic-exchange points.
Posted on 2002-12-06 03:45:36 by Aquila
Aquila,
If Hiro's country is on that list then
him hosting in another country would
be impossible as he could not reach it
and you could not reach his country as
well, his country would have to get there own satilites

You know that on this same bill China is the first on
the list, in fact china was the first to have this bill
created because they will not crack down on there
people that write virus, and hack into computers.

With this same bill, we want to include countrys that
have to high of american sentament comming thru it.

Americans need not pay for access to the internet just
to be insulted by people that we invited into the internet.
It is not a restriction, it is proctection. another words. if
you abuse it, you lose it. it was not create as a tool to
attact the people of our country. therefore you will lose
your right to partisapate in the internet experiance.

Zcoder......
Posted on 2002-12-06 04:00:16 by Zcoder
1. high speed internet access is not done via sattelites, it's done with transcontinental cables. (hehe high speed access with a constant latency of at least 300)
2. it goes both ways if you block much you get blocked from everything else
3. that would make a loss in revenue for many sites that need advertising or forms of reader support if a large part of their audience can't read them anymore. Time for your government to get 'European' and subsidize them? :grin:
3. list please :grin:
4. "We need not pay to talk to ignorant, hautain and self-centered people like you." Is that what you're saying :rolleyes: So in response the government would "deprive those infidels the internet" (which they can because Al Gore invented it, it's not just a bunch of worldwide PCs beyond their reach), I think the last time I've seen such behaviour was in Kindergarten :tongue:
5. "If you abuse it you lose it", since you obviously are aware of your actions, you won't mind not coming here anymore.
Posted on 2002-12-06 05:07:40 by Hiroshimator

Aquila,
If Hiro's country is on that list then
him hosting in another country would
be impossible as he could not reach it
and you could not reach his country as
well, his country would have to get there own satilites

Heh, why do you think traffic will go Russia->USA->Belgium? It will go Russia<->Belgium. Why we need USA for this transaction?
Of course, some USA sites will not be visible in blocked countries... but who cares?

You know that on this same bill China is the first on
the list, in fact china was the first to have this bill
created because they will not crack down on there
people that write virus, and hack into computers.

Heh, Chineese government will be very glad if USA will block its sites with antichineese propaganda :).

Americans need not pay for access to the internet just
to be insulted by people that we invited into the internet.
It is not a restriction, it is proctection. another words. if
you abuse it, you lose it. it was not create as a tool to
attact the people of our country. therefore you will lose
your right to partisapate in the internet experiance.

Only result will be poor american users blocked from outer world :).
Posted on 2002-12-06 05:55:29 by Aquila
actually i don't wanted to participate in this thread but i think i have to throw
light on the concept of "re". most of you don't seem to get the spirit behind it.
it is often considered as bad or illegal but "re" has many good sides too. in my
opinion it could be compared with a chess-game, you have to find solutions in
a pre-defined construct of traps and rules... in this case the word "cracking"
just describes a way to reach the finish, to solve the puzzle.

i'm against cracking software but why should somebody have something against
self-written "crackme's"? that just doesn't make any sense. it seems that you're
ashamed of the intellectual capabilitys asm unitizes.
Posted on 2002-12-06 06:40:15 by mob


Heh, why do you think traffic will go Russia->USA->Belgium?


Because 10 of 13 world wide root servers are located in the US :rolleyes:
And the non-US (except for the Japan) are just for backup.
Posted on 2002-12-06 06:55:53 by bazik
Originally posted by Zcoder
I don't sell code, you seem to have lost sight of
what is fact and what is not.


Then, explain what these facts are...
Did you sell tutorials ?


Your being childish again as always.


Why ?


Your from another country so this leads me to
not care about your opinion couse you don't
like us anyway, so what have we lost?


You can only discuss and share opinions with people from your country ?
And what's the matter of your nationality in our discussion anyway ?
There is no relation.


you can only dream of being where I am.


Mwhahahahaha !!!
I still don't see the point, but your are doing an empty post, because you have no arguments...

I standup for what is right, I fear not.


Congratulations, you are the hero of this messageboard.

I gain nothing
if you like or don't like. but you can't understand that
for some reason.


You can't understand for some reason what is the purpose of a forum, and especially this one...
That is to share opinions...
If you want to hear from people that you are always right, then you are in the wrong place.
And pretexting your nationality to allow yourself to play the victim is very lame, imho.

Also your forum is on the list of ISP's and goverment
officials as complaints of sites that have hi ratings
of american bashing, and as soon as a bill goes thru
to band such sites. You know they are pushing a bill
to block countrys that have high ratings of american
centament comming from them. by scrambling the internet
there by blocking these countrys into there own back yard
There has been to many americans visting chat room and
forums ect and getting bashed, ISP's have been swampt
with complaints there by been reported to conressmen
to take some kindof action, thus the bill to scramble the
internet access from countrys with hight american bashing
comming from them.


Again, what is the relation with my post and the thread ?
If you do not want to be hurt in your feelings by arguments from others people: do not come on a messageboard and run away from the flame wars if you can't stand a post against you without crying you are an poor american victim...
Posted on 2002-12-06 06:57:45 by JCP
This thread has turned into something hillarious, we have the bleeding heart virus gang competing with the "we hate to be bashed just because our country is killing people around the world" brigade and between them there seems to be some mileage that the US will be better off if it censures its own population by obstructing their access to the international sites on the internet.

Fortunately this forum has never been controlled by any narrow political interest from one country and has catered for an international community of programmers in spite of such stupidity.

As far as a new US politics friendly forum, feel free to do this and take the virus nerds with you as well as the trojan authors, crackers, security hackers and every other cockroach on the internet as this forum will never allow it, no matter what.

It was designed from scratch to cater for assembler programmers from around the world, not the low life attached to the garbage end of programming.

Have PHUN,

hutch@movsd.com
Posted on 2002-12-06 07:14:27 by hutch--

actually i don't wanted to participate in this thread but i think i have to throw
light on the concept of "re". most of you don't seem to get the spirit behind it.
it is often considered as bad or illegal but "re" has many good sides too. in my
opinion it could be compared with a chess-game, you have to find solutions in
a pre-defined construct of traps and rules... in this case the word "cracking"
just describes a way to reach the finish, to solve the puzzle.

i'm against cracking software but why should somebody have something against
self-written "crackme's"? that just doesn't make any sense. it seems that you're
ashamed of the intellectual capabilitys asm unitizes.


I hear you mob, but the difference is hard to explain to certain other parties. It's also such a thin line that will almost always be crossed.
"I need this and this.... don't worry it's for a crackme"
Posted on 2002-12-06 07:16:29 by Hiroshimator
i understand. it's okay, there are boards dedicated to such things.
Posted on 2002-12-06 07:20:29 by mob
Originally posted by Aquila
Have I said something about virii in this topic? Have I said something about cracks in this topic? No. It is just a bunch of super inquisitors, who are roaming around the board and searching something 'criminal', 'illegal' and so on, talk about virii and cracks here.


Sure, but you posted this just after a post about cracks by complaining there is nothing interesting here because we close all the interesting threads (the ones about cracks, in this case).
And it is well known in the moderation team that you are a proud and active defenser of the virii writing movement...


It seems you don't like 'RE'. Just interesting, what is bad in RE except it is 'illegal' in some backward countries?


You are wrong: I do reverse-engineering quite often: I modify very old console games (ie more than 13 years old) to translate them to french. This includes both english and japanese. It is not harmful to anyone since it is very old and no longer on sale and nostalgics gamers like that.
I just keep my own occupations out of there as it is not on the boundaries of this messageboard... (and I will delete my post when the thread will be over).

Then, I know well there is two kinds of reverse-engineering, the harmful (financialy or not) and the one that enables to create/modify something to make it better or more useable...

Now, what I know for sure is that this messageboard must stay legal, for both reason.
The first one is justice, the second one is to keep the place clean and keep the idiot fringe out of there...
Llamas asking help to crack the latest Cdrwin version or anything else would not be the kind of knowledge our members are looking for.
There is other messageboard for cracks and virii... we do not say it is good or bad: we say it is not our cup of tea and our goal for the board.

I even confess that I once wanted to learn assembly to crack: how lame... but the only assembly resources on the web I found at this time were on cracking tutorials.
I tried many times to learn assembly by cracking software. I never achieved to, but once I did try to program real applications in assembly, all was much easier...

Then, to explain my point from my previous post: I really think there is the need for a clean and legal place to learn and talk about assembly programming and that RE and virii writing (that is something that I hate) should be discussed elsewhere : nothing more, nothing else.
Posted on 2002-12-06 07:21:26 by JCP